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Some Of My Best Friends Are China Consultants

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Very interesting post today over at the All Roads Lead To China Blog, entitled, In Defense of the China Consultant. It caught my eye because it starts out saying that it was inspired by a recent post on here, “China as Currency Manipulator. Why Can’t We All Just Get Along? According to All Roads, this post, along with a number of other posts on other blogs, dealt with whether a China Consultant is needed and how to pick one.

The weird thing is that my post to which All Roads refers, never once mentions the word “consultant” and, near as I can tell, had absolutely nothing to do with the issues All Roads raises in his post. I am not sure if All Roads mistook someone else’s post for mine or if he accidentally linked to the wrong post on our blog. Either way, I am glad for his mistake as it now gives me the opportunity to agree wholeheartedly with him and to expand a bit on his post.

All Roads’ post talks of how there “has never been a true debate about the role of a consultant, or how firms should look to work with these people/ organizations. A debate that I would say is sorely needed. Not because I think that there is anything wrong with the ‘China consultant’, but because I feel there is a disconnect between the value that these people/organizations provide, what the client needs, and how an engagement should be structured for success”

All Roads then provides two very good and very recent examples in his work as a China consultant where his clients hired him to consult on China and then failed to heed his advice, at their own peril. All Roads then concludes his post by nothing that “there is absolutely nothing wrong with the ‘China Consultant’.

I agree 110%.

And because I am not a China consultant, my perspective is fully neutral. 

Clients are always asking me and other lawyers in my firm for business advice and we are always very reluctant to give it. We are reluctant to give it because we are lawyers not consultants. If a client asks us whether we think their business should locate in Shanghai or in Chengdu, we might tell them that Shanghai courts/judges are much better than Chengdu courts/judges and so their IP will likely be better protected in Shanghai than in Chengdu, but we are not the people to talk to about rental rates, wage rates, electricity prices, water rates, quality of work force, etc. We have some idea of those things because we hear about them all them time from our clients, but our knowledge is mostly anecdotal. 

We refer those clients to China consultants. If they have questions regarding how they can best get their product from Qingdao to Quincy, we refer them to logistics consultants. If their question is whether their office in Dalian will really be that much cheaper than in Shenzhen, we refer them to real estate consultants. If their question is how much it will cost for them to build such and such kind of facility in Chongqing, we refer them to China operational consultants. If their question is where they should go for good and cheap widgets, we refer them to sourcing consultants. If the question is whether it makes sense for them to translate their English brand names into Chinese, we refer them to branding consultants. If their question is whether there is a need for their product or service in China, we refer them to marketing consultants. If they need help with financial or tax matters, we refer them to financial and/or accounting consultants.

Occassionally, clients push to have my law firm do these sorts of things for them and our response to that is always the same: if you want to pay lawyer rates to have us do things at which we have never claimed expertise, you can, but I strongly suggest you use those who actually do these things ever day. We are batting 1000 in that no client has ever retained us for any of the above. And that is because I view China consultants as absolutely critical in many circumstances. I often then tell them to be suspicious of lawyers who claim to “consult” in addition to practicting law.  

I have worked with dozens of “China consultants” and, almost without exception, I have found that when used properly, they bring real value to the companies that retain them. Until today, I never even knew there was a dispute about this, but if there is, please let the record reflect that I stand with the consultants on this one.  

What do you think? Consultants, good or bad?

  • http://www.allroadsleadtochina.com allroads

    Hi Dan.
    While your post (original post) did not specifically question the value of consultants, the 100+ comments were often questioning the value (and personal character) of one consultant in particular… and it fit in with the other posts/ pieces I have seen lately that were a little more direct in addressing the value/ qualifications of a China consultant.
    R

  • James G

    Many people view consultants with a bit – often more – of skepticism because there appears to be very low barriers to entry into the “consultant” job market. There are many people advertising themselves as “China Consultants” based on time spent in China and (unverifiable) currency with the language and culture, and a relevant sounding degree. I can see how it might be difficult to discern who is on the ball and who is part of some medicine show.
    Doctors, lawyers, engineers, and (at least in much of the west) and lots of professionals who do labor intensive work (carpenters, mechanics) complete coursework and get certified by licensing bodies, but to be a consultant? I can especially see where such skepticism would be warranted in China.
    I am in NO WAY questioning the services provided by the blogger at ARLTC, and in fact I really like his blog, and have liked it for some time. However, blog junkies such as myself have been regaled with many, many tales of bad advice on such things as WFOE, cultural etiquette in China, outsourcing, etc. Aren’t there a lot of head-slapping tales of people who listened to their consultants and met with unfortunate circumstances?
    So, his post is invaluable in establishing a baseline, but the doubts aren’t baseless, I don’t think. I always think a little skepticism is warranted, and in some areas, asking hard questions is the best way to go.

  • http://orientalxpress.com Dave Freeman

    I agree with you Dan. There are a lot of amazing and highly regarded consultants out there. I’ve spent my entire life bridging the cultural gap between China and the West, and I’m still blown away by the talented people I meet.
    An associate of mine reposted a great article by David Livermore on the danger of relying solely on cross cultural training. Why Cross Cultural Training Could Be A Waste of Money http://orientalxpress.com/why-cross-cultural-training-could-be-a-waste-of-money/
    I guess it draws a similar conclusion to that of the article in All Roads Lead To China. Over reliance on a single aspect of the process can be counterproductive. The organization that seeks out a China consultant really needs to be highly engaged in the whole process. Solely depending on the consultant, or the training, is a mistake.
    Thanks for all your great posts Dan.

  • Tim

    Consultants provide decision support services; good ones know the boundaries of their knowledge and know that their component is a portion of a larger body of analysis that a client requires in order to make a decision. Consultants are rarely, if ever, privy to all the aspects of a company’s business that would factor into decisions that their clients make. Consultants, as well as lawyers for that matter, can only be as good as the knowledge that not only they possess but also the information that a client provides them. Nothing frustrates an adviser more than the omission of critical information by their clients.
    The key to understanding a consultant’s value is to see them as what they are: decision support. They are are not decision makers and generally do not have a financial stake in the final decision. Hence ownership of a final decision is solely in the hands of the client. Consultants who attempt to hijack this process or clients who blindly follow advice are both forgetting this aspect of the relationship. Think Rasputin.
    I also agree with Rich – a consultant’s expertise does not suddenly increase or decrease based upon their location relative to a country’s border.

  • http://www.icstrust.com Barrett Bingley

    I agree with Dan and All Roads on this one. ICS TRUST refers business to qualified consultants quite often as we do the incorporation, compliance and tax issues, but do not consult or recommend on many of the other areas Dan brings up. In particular, we never get involved in sourcing, marketing, branding etc. so are frequently making referrals in these areas.
    A good China consultant, or team of consultants is even more critical to success for SMEs who can’t afford to post a team of their own people in China for a long time as a cost-center to learn the ropes.
    Now here’s a question I’d like to see addressed: what’s the best way for a company to conduct due diligence on a China consultant and evaluate them before engagement? We have our own ways, I’ve seen clients do it different ways but I’d like your opinions too.

  • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

    Agree, with the proviso that you should always, always do your due diligence on any prospective China consultant. Yes, this means more than just getting references, this means checking qualifications and background as well.

  • Uncle Sam

    True enough. It all depends on how and who you choose.

  • Jiawei Zhao

    I think a good way of conducting due diligence on your China consultants is to ask for a smaller scope of work in the beginning at a lower cost probably. Then you will be able to judge the value easily.