Using Web Based Evidence In China Courts....And Then Some.
China Law Insight blog has a fascinating post (for we nerd lawyers anyway), entitled, "PRC Web Page Notarization for Evidence," on what it takes to get a webpage into evidence in a Chinese court.
The post starts out noting how web-based information is increasingly being used as evidence in Chinese judicial proceedings and how that evidence is stored inside a web server in the form of electronic data. It then talks about how the courts require web-based information be verified by a notary. But if the downloading of the web page was not conducted properly, it will not be deemed authentic and will not be permitted into evidence. Proper downloading requires more than just a notarization that the downloading was witnessed; it must also include information proving the page actually came from the internet, and not from a page previously downloaded from the internet but still in the computer users cache:
In the NuCom Online (Beijing) Information Technology Co., Ltd. v. ChinaNetwork Communications Corporation Limited, Zigong Branch case, the Supreme People’s Court emphasized, in its (2008) Min Shen Zi No.926 Civil Ruling, the necessity of examining the origin of web-based information, as said origins are fundamental to deciding whether the notarized evidence can be used as the basis for a court’s judgment. If the notary public cannot gain access to the computer or mobile hard drive before the notarization procedure and if the notarization itself does not include a record of the state of the computer or mobile hard drive with respect to the integrity of said computer/mobile hard drive prior to the downloading, the Supreme People’s Court deems that the notarization can prove that the act of downloading occurred before a notary public, but it cannot prove that the data at issue was actually downloaded from a specific location on the Internet.Under certain scenarios, when you use a local computer to visit a target website, the web pages displayed are actually those stored or cached in the local computer, rather than web pages downloaded from a remote website. Therefore, the actual origin of the evidence cannot be guaranteed merely by having a notary public witnessing the downloading process, as that “downloading” may be simply pulling up the web page from the cache in the local computer.
The post goes on to describe what parties must do to ensure they can get their webpage in as evidence before a Chinese court:
To ensure proper authentication of web-based evidence, parties should conduct notarized web page downloads at the notary public office using the notary public’s computer and, also, request that the notary public record the condition of the computer prior to the notarization process. If the downloading must be done on another computer, the party should initiatively request the notary public to delete all relevant files from the caches of the computer by appropriate procedures before downloading the requested web pages and record all of the detailed steps in the notarization process.
Now I would expect one has to be a lawyer to appreciate the significance of this, but I know that these days I am constantly using web based evidence in my cases all around the world, but much more casually in the United States. In an international litigation matter my firm is handling in a United States federal court right now, one of the defendants claimed to have insufficient contacts for the court to assert jurisdiction over it. This European based defendant claimed it had never advertised its product for sale in the United States and had sold only really one product. We researched this company on the internet and found multiple instances of where it was listed on directories for selling their particular product in the United States, including one that required payment. We also found internet proof of their having imported product into the United States for delivery to a company listed as one of their European subsidiaries on their website. We used a lawyer's declaration to set out these sites for the courts, presuming that if the court had any doubts, it could check out the sites itself.
Had our case been in China, we apparently would have needed to bring in a notary public who would need to go through the steps set forth by China Law Insight above. Yet, in certain circumstances, where the date of an internet finding might be crucial, I can see where these same "Chinese" steps would actually make sense around the world.
What do your country's courts require for admittance of internet evidence?
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Fortunately, the web doesn't play a large role in immigration law but I know from colleagues working in practices that deal with the digital world that it's becoming increasing difficult to get something that can be considered 'accurate and original'.
Take just two examples:
Photographic evidence: in the days of 35mm we had the original film; now we don't. Essentially, two different digital cameras photographing the same scene may well produce very different images. Colours are a real problem. To solve the problem do we just use a single make and model - even though we know it's going to non-state-of-the-art by the time it gets to all forensic service offices?
The second - web pages: Given that there are a number of popular browsers: Internet Explorer, Firefox and safari to name the three most popular; however, each has multiple variations.
All have the capacity to render a page slightly differently. And there is software to block bits of pages people don't want to see.
So which view is the true one; can there be a true version?
Posted by: uk visa lawyer | November 14, 2009 9:08 AM
Dan, that link is 404. Here's the correct link for the July King&Wood article.
Posted by: Kathy | November 14, 2009 11:58 AM
Man.. people really take the internet too seriously back home
Posted by: hongqigong | November 14, 2009 1:47 PM
Dealing with web based evidence in courts is becoming an issue for investigators and courts worldwide. There is a methodology for dealing with it and making the evidence collected legally defensible. Digital evidence from the Internet should be handled no differently then digital evidence on a hard drive. Documenting web based evidence should include procedures for collection, preservation and presentation. These procedures include the identification of the collection location by IP address, domain registration and geolocation of the server. Documentation can include archiving the entire webpage including the HTML source code, snapshoting the page (taking a picture) or videoing the page as it exists. Verification of the documentation should include logging and automated process. Even keystroke logging or TCP/IP traffic of the machine used to do the collection. Presevation should include documentation of the collection process and the logging through automated processes and saving of the evidence in a secure manner. Presentation needs to be the reporting of the methods and process in a manner that is easy for the end user to view and understand. There is only one software tool that does all that and it is called WebCase. WebCase is a patent pending process for legally documenting Internet based evidence in just the circumstances described. Internet evidence can be used successfully in court and collected in quick and defensible manner.
Posted by: Todd Shipley | November 15, 2009 12:37 PM
Dan, I somehow feel that the difference has a lot to do with the fact that the U.S. society is very much built on a trust system, China, on the other hand, is quite the opposite. If a Chinese court let a (Chinese) party provide web-based evidence the way you described in your case against the European defendant, god knows how much of the evidence would have been fabricated. Yes, the court can verify the evidence if they want, but the presumption in the U.S. is that a lawyer will not jeopardize his reputation in this profession to make up something, mislead the court, and ruin his career.(Maybe I'm being too absolute here, but you get the point). There is a real consequence to that. In China, sadly, one expects to be cheated if the system's loophole offers the opportunity. I'm glad that the SPC is tough on the notarization process -- this is not only a model that other countries can learn from, but one that is a MUST for China.
Posted by: Jen | November 17, 2009 9:59 AM