China Visas. I'm Getting Deja Vu Olympic Feelings.

One of the great things a about being a lawyer is that we hear all kinds of things from our clients and potential clients. And then when we start hearing those same things on the blogs, we know something is up. I am hearing a lot of things about the difficulty of getting anything but a three month visa.

I actually got a call from a potential (very broadly defined) client the other day wanting our help in getting him a one year visa. He "owns" a business in China and it is "absolutely critical to the point of it being do or die" that he be in China at the end of May. He had applied for a business visa (an F Visa) and been turned down cold and essentially told not to bother coming back until 2010 to try again. We talked a bit about what he was doing in China and it turned out he had set up an internet business with a Chinese "partner" where, on the books, his Chinese partner owns the business entirely, but this American has an oral agreement with the "100% trusted"Chinese partner that the business is really owned 50-50.

I hate these sorts of arrangements for thousands of reasons, and the inability of the foreigner (in this case the American) to have easy and relatively secure access to a Chinese visa only ranks about 60th on the list (way behind losing the business entirely). Anyway, this guy seemed really panicked and I got the strong sense it was finally starting to dawn on him how easy it would be for his "100% trusted" Chinese partner to simply cut him out, especially now that he would almost certainly end up letting the business down by failing to come to China for this "super important" May event. I ended up telling him that it would not make sense for him to hire an American law firm to help sway the China visa office and that he should probably just retain one of those Chinese "fixer-type" firms that charge a lot and half the time seem to pull off miracles and the other half of the time seem to just run off with your money without doing anything. He asked me for the name of a good one and I begged off.

I also suggested he think about turning his stealth business into a legitimate WFOE or joint venture, such that he could qualify for a Z visa (an employee visa). He did not seem terribly interested, but said he would get back to me on that. There is no way this "solution" could be done soon enough to get him a China visa by late May.

This was actually the second call like this in the last two weeks and when I couple this with the rumors of visa tightening I have been hearing from clients and lawyers in China, I knew something was up. The always excellent Shanghai Scrap just did an aptly titled post, "Visa Madness All Over Again,"explaining the situation and why there is a situation.

Seems Shanghai Scrap (Adam Minter) had just learned that a high-powered Beijing industry conference he was going to attend in May had been canceled because so many foreigners would be unable to secure visas for coming:

Moments ago, I received a phone call from the organizers of a major industry conference and exhibition scheduled for Beijing in late May. For the sake of the people involved, I’m not going to name the conference or the industry, except to note that it is a very, very big industry employing many, many Chinese people in factories receiving a whole lot of Chinese economic stimulus funds. As for the conference: it’s being sponsored by a major Chinese trade group, several major Chinese state-owned enterprises, a notable division of Xinhua, several major foreign trade publications, and one foreign newswire. The people who own and operate companies in this industry (or, heck, analyze them) are not, generally, rabble-rousers. Indeed, they tend to be very conservative, verging on boring, with a strong preference for what some people like to call “stability.”

The explanation from the conference representative was that "because of the 60th anniversary of the Communist Party the visa policy changes. So we will postpone until November. Perhaps you can attend then?”

Minter notes that it is actually the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and then rightly compares the existing visa situation to that of the Olympics:

Even short memories will recall the Olympics-related visa restrictions from last year (see here, and countless other places). Then, the authorities were concerned with disrupting anyone who might care to disrupt a high profile international event. They may very well have succeeded; I don’t know. But what I do know - and so does everyone in Beijing who hoped to make a buck off Olympic tourism - is that they also succeeded in dissuading tourists from visiting China. Fine and good. Now, the 60th anniversary of the PRC is not the Olympics - that is, it’s not an international event - but one can argue that, in light of the global financial crisis, China needs international visitors now more than ever. After all: Hotel vacancies are on the rise; FDI is down; exports are down. At the same time, the US, China’s most important trading partner, is finally showing a willingness to approach China pragmatically, instead of ideologically. I don’t claim to understand a tightening of visas under these circumstances, but I can’t imagine that it helps it economically, or diplomatically, over the next several months.

Shanghaiist also has a post on the tightening visa situation,entitled, "F Visas will be scarce during upcoming anniversary." Shanghaiist links its readers over to "amazing visa procurers Meshing Consultancy Service, which on its site has the following to say about tightening visa requirements:

From 15th Apr 2009, Oct 2009 is our China 60 Years Liberation ceremony(very huge ceremony). The visa policy start to become tight again from now. According to that, right now, we can get 6 month F visa with maxmium 2 entries(you can leave and come back 2 times during the 6 month), multi-entries or 1 year F visa is not available, and the 6 month visa will only valid till the end of Sept.

Bottom Line. There are three very important things that should be taken away from all this. One, if you need certainty in terms of being able to get into China, you cannot rely on either an F visa (business) or an L visa (tourist) for that. Two, if you need certainty in terms of being able to get into China, the solution is usually to legitimately set up your own company so you can get a Z visa (employee). Three, and probably most important, is that the Chinese government will nearly always place politics and stability over economics.

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Adam Etchells - April 26, 2009 9:42 AM

Hi Dan, thanks for another great article. I would never recommend Meshing for visas, however. During the Olympics, they never answered my phone and it caused me a lot of headache. My friend George got deported after getting an F visa from them. They didn't even bother calling him back. He had just bought new furniture and lost a lot of money in addition to his job when he had to leave China so quickly. I despise them. After a bit of research, I found Marion Wu at salohomes for visa help. She has great guanxi to get visas but, most importantly, she really seems to care. I highly recommend her.

Ben Ross - April 26, 2009 10:50 AM

I had a engagement in China in February and applied for a 90 day tourist visa at the consulate in Chicago. When I picked it up, I was pleasantly surprised to find they had given me a multiple entry 90 day visa, valid for a year. From my experience, there usually isn't too much rhyme and reason to Chinese visa policies. Furthermore, any information on the topic may be completely irrelevant by next week.

William - April 26, 2009 11:15 AM

I find these visa games more than a little distasteful. Getting a US visa is no picnic but at least the US doesn't secretly change the rules while pretending that the policy is the same.

Sean - April 26, 2009 11:53 AM

Of course this wouldn't have anything to do with a certain anniversary in early June.

mom2twoboys - April 26, 2009 5:51 PM

In HK, we (my family) just applied for and received one-year multiple-entry L visas last week. The woman at the window where I turned in the applications said we might get 3-months or we might get a year (had applied for a year). I asked why, and she said, oh, it's up to the officer. But I hadn't realized that we may be on the verge of another visa crunch . . . .

CHRIS (China Quality Control) - April 27, 2009 5:56 AM

Since when the Chinese Visa get that hot.lol I remember 10 years ago, when i head to New Zealand, it's just like a dream to get a Permit Resident Visa. Luckily i only have the PR, not passport, otherwise it's hard to believe i have to apply to stay in my country.

Didion - April 27, 2009 9:04 AM

I was told that 2009 is especially a sensitive year in China for 4 reasons:

1 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China (Not the CCP. CCP is known as being found on July 1,1921)

2 50 anniversary of the T-i * e-t R-i o-t which happened in 1959

3 20 anniversary of the J u n e-F o u r * h event happened in 1989

4 10 anniversary of the F.A L-*-N G.*.N.G 's gethering atthe office area of central government in Beijing.

Some people even call the strengthening of polices due to above reasons as "6521" project. hehe ...

another comment:

As far as I know, the Z visa applied ourside China usually cannot be multiple-entry and being effective for a long time. After you enter China with such Z visa, the employee has to take medical check, apply for Work Permit and then apply a Residence Permit. The Residence Permit works as a multiple entry Z visa, which is usually good for one year and can be renewed.

Glen - April 27, 2009 9:04 AM

I've been going back and forth to China every few years since the mid 1990's. Each time I step off that plane I'm floored by the evidence of progress that surrounds me. However, the one thing that never changes is the difficulty of getting visas and in particular the cyclical "oh my God I can't get a visa" situations popularized recently by the 2008 Olympics.

I am shocked that this is still a problem for foreign travelers and business people. The unpleasantness of the process seems not to have been improved by technological advancements. In 15 years you still have to cross your fingers and hope you get the type, number of entries and length of stay you applied for. It's ridiculous.

I understand the rationale behind controlling who comes in and goes out as a necessary activity of sovereignty, we in the U.S. have our own sometimes draconian system for that, but when thousands of people can't get to a conference in Beijing, that represents thousands of orders not taken, ideas not exchanged and technology never transferred. China is only shooting itself in the foot.

Jay - April 27, 2009 6:39 PM

The other thing that can be taken away from the situation is that unless you really HAVE to be in China for the growth of your business then don't put your assets here (in China). Business in China is far too risky and costly for most foreigners (and Chinese).

As for the poor saps like the one you describe, I've seen hundreds of them, they trust their 100% reliable Chinese partner and 98% of the time they end up royally screwed. Is there anyplace that will accept bets on these fools getting taken to the cleaners?

the running man - April 27, 2009 10:58 PM

See that's just it, the small biz entrepreneur is ripe for the plucking without the protections of a corporation behind him or her.

Better to grow a seedling in a regulated, developed, liberal democracy. The desperation is palpable in China.

qwerty - April 29, 2009 7:19 AM

Today I just got my 6 months multiple entries visa in 3 hours at the Chinese Embassy. So from my side, everything is as usual.

And I don't work for any corporation or large company that backs me up, just a small company that does small business in China.

stuart - April 29, 2009 8:34 PM

"Luckily i only have the PR, not passport, otherwise it's hard to believe i have to apply to stay in my country."

If you had a NZ passport, China would no longer be 'your' country.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for the guy with the '100% trustworthy friend' but echo Glen's words; the likelihood is that he's screwed.

I recommend that he finds himself an exit strategy, otherwise he needs to act quickly and get to HK and try to get a tourist visa if he wants to persevere and meet his deadline.

It's a sad reflection on Chinese society, but finding a genuine partner in China seems next to impossible.

bjjb - May 10, 2009 6:40 AM

>I find these visa games more than a little distasteful. Getting a US visa is no picnic but at least the US doesn't secretly change the rules while pretending that the policy is the same.

Have you actually dealt with U.S. visa procedures? It seems every port of entry (and every officer) has a (sometimes significantly) different view of the regulations and their decisions are unappealable and recorded in the computer for all time (Mr. X needs to bring paper Y to all future border crossings - it's written on the comptuer so they enforce it but it's not the law... baah)>

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