The Rise Of Great Nations/What China Wants
The Sun Bin Blog recently did an in depth post on the recently completed 12 part CCTV documentary series, "The Rise of the Great Nations" [can be downloaded in Chinese here]. The post is entitled, "The Great Nations" and "What does China want?" Sun Bin believes the show reflects Beijing's views on where China must go in the next 20-50 years if it is to continue to thrive and he devotes the first part of the post to why we should consider the show as state policy. I agree with Sun Bin that a show of this scope and sort does, at least generally, reflect official policy.
The second part of the Sun Bin post sets forth what he sees [summarized]as the themes Beijing is seeking to convey through the show:
- "Great Nation = Innovation and contribution to its own people and the world." The innovation of Thomas Edison, Dutch shipbuilders, and Japanese businesses were discussed throughout the program and in the finale, the head of the Chinese Diplomatic Institute, Wu Jianmin said something like, "Great nations contribute to world development. Innovation is essential for making such contributions and innovation is not possible if free thinking is constrained."
- "Aggression through force is to be avoided at all costs." Nazi Germany and Japan are examples of this. Aggression is the wrong way to build a Great Nation. Wealth through expansion and aggression is not reliable. The modern world competes through business and innovation and contributions to humanity and scientific knowledge, not through military success.
- "Rule of law and building of a system." "Almost all episodes emphasized the rule of law."
- "Focus on internal development and building sustainable capabilities." Military expansion is ephemeral.
- "A lot of attention is given to building a system and ensuring the fundamentals, both economically and politically."
- "The government must play a leading role in taking a country to great nation status." The show praised the government's role in Russia's 1920s-1930s industrialization and also spoke well of how Keynesian economics influenced the government's role during the Roosevelt administration.
Based on the the above analysis, Sun Bin then posits we can expect the following in the way of Chinese reform:
- "US or UK style Democracy will be the long term goal." Sun Bin bases this on how the show constantly discussed how the "political/societal infrastructure" of the United States and the United Kingdom played "an essential role" in their rise. Sun Bin sees this as "challenging the traditional party line that there are many types of definition for so-called 'democracy' and that 'China is different'."
- "To make China an open society before turning it into a democracy." Sun Bin expects China to copy Britain by opening up its media before it becomes a democracy.
- "China is determined to play by the rule of the modern world, and to make compromise both internally and externally." Sun Bin posits that China has "already compromised with the US in many international issues" and has begun "its rapprochement with Japan." The show focused on how compromise among groups led to the forming democratic governments in Holland, the UK and the US. The Finale of the show "explicitly" mentioned that "no great nation was built by defeating the hegemon at the time.
The China in Transition Blog, in a post entitled, "New Wave of Democratic Talks in Chinese Media Attracts Attentions," notes that "people in China" are noticing "that the media have been unusually outspoken lately." Evidence of this new outspokenness can be seen in "published interviews with human rights activists and dissent academics who are not favored by government censors, and several articles frankly advocating democracy and rule of law, something not very often seen in mainland media." Most "remarkable" of all, however, "is a documentary series aired on one of China�s major propaganda organs, China Central Television, The Rise of the Great Nations," which explained in a "fairly objective" way why these great nations thrived. The blog sees this show as so "unusual for CCTV that many viewers said they could not believe the show was produced by the station."
The EastWestNorthSouth blog gathered up some interesting comments on the show from the ChineseNewsNet site and translated them, here.
Not sure I share Sun Bin's enthusiasm, particularly in light of recent Chinese legal/media events.

Comments (11)
Read through and enter the discussion by using the form at the endLonnie - December 5, 2006 8:02 PM
Congrats on your nod for Best Asian Blog in the Web Blog Awards!!...I had nominated you for Best Law Blog in the sphere (not just Asia), but you can only final in one category....
Best,
L
China Law Blog - December 5, 2006 9:09 PM
Lonnie --
First off, thanks for nominating us for the Best Law Blog award. Secondly, (and I swear this is not false modesty, as I am probably incapable of that) but can you tell me where this award is on the web? I have googled the hell out of it and cannot find a thing. Which means all of my fans (i.e. my mom and dad) probably have not seen it either.
Lonnie - December 5, 2006 10:43 PM
Here is the URL for the announcement:
http://2006.weblogawards.org/2006/12/the_2006_weblog_awards_finalists_announced.php#more
The voting will soon take place...Your fans, and you have a bunch these days, can vote for you a URL to be assigned within a day or two...
Best,
Lon
China Law Blog - December 6, 2006 9:05 AM
Lonnie --
Hey, yours is the only other one on there that I really know. Congrats as well. There are definitely some exceedingly good blogs not on the list so I do feel honored to be there.
Having started my career in Chicago, I assure you I know how to get out a vote.
sunbin - December 6, 2006 6:00 PM
Thanks for the link.
I actually do not know how soon or how likely my speculation will come true. That is why I only carefully put it in the "ps" section, plus some "if"s as caution.
It may be years (i.e. 3,5 or more) if it does.
But it seems there is only one direction to drift to.
China Law Blog - December 6, 2006 6:33 PM
Sun Bin --
Thanks for checking in. Yours was a great post and I definitely do see China more and more going towards a rule of law. I used to think that increasing economic freedom always leads to increasing political freedom, but I am less confident of that now. I hope what we are seeing in China is that it is moving two steps forward and one step back towards democracy, rather than just one step back.
Mark Anthony Jones - December 6, 2006 7:04 PM
Sun Bin,
I enjoyed reading your article as well, and I will leave a comment on your blog later today when I get some more time. I agree with Dan, when he says that China's progress towards the development of democratic institutions and practices and the "rule of law" as been, up to now, generally a case of "two steps forward, one step back". Some China watchers do in fact believe that the country already is marching towards the establishment of a multi-party system though. "China will become a democracy around the year 2015," predicts Henry Rowen, who is Professor Emeritus of the Graduate School of Business. "China's grassroots progress toward democracy," he says, "is comparable to that which took place in the early 1970s in Taiwan, when per capita income reached about $2,500, similar to China's income today."
"Growing wealth," he points out, "is accompanied by increased education, the building of business and government institutions with some autonomy, and the formation of attitudes that enable democratic governments to survive when they have a chance at power. If China's economic growth continues at today's rates, it will reach mean incomes of $7,000 to $8,000 by 2015. Spain, Portugal, Chile and Argentina, in addition to Taiwan and South Korea, all made the transition to democracy while they were within this income range."
This is an interesting prediction, but I personally have some doubts, as I expressed in an article I wrote on my site on the nature of China's governance and society - if you're interested, you can find it at:
What is more essential, as you point out in your article Sun Bin, is that China first increases the autonomy of its media, and creates a generally more open society, and with a more refined legal system. I see plenty of evidence, as I explain in my article, that China is moving in this direction, and at a much greater pace than I think most Western observers realise.
Doroto - December 8, 2006 1:28 AM
If what you people's take on that is right, I will applaud and cross my fingers.
It has seen great foray into economic might by China but little progress in political arena. It is quite clear and apparent there are dangerous undercurrents beneath the economic properity as social inequity has mounted to a red line. It is truely high time to make moves in that direction.
Our Hu-Wen leadership seems open and cautious in administering policital reforms and it remains to be seen what efforts to be made. It might be too early to smile.
Joe - December 17, 2006 1:44 AM
I'm a first time reader of your site. I've read a lot of discussion of this series in Chinese (for example ), and it's good to read something in English too.
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If this series is supposed to forecast the way ahead, then what does an episode on the Soviet Union with no great famine, no reign of terror, no Soviet Empire or Imperial collapse, and no discussion of the end of Communism spell? Even Mao proclaimed Stalin to be only 70% good and 30% bad (the judgement that Deng was referring to when he made his own judgement of Mao). The Stalin of the series seems to me a lot more than only 70%. My feeling is that this was one of the key episodes in the series and to neglect it would be to neglect one of the key messages of the series.
China Law Blog - December 18, 2006 10:04 AM
Joe --
Welcome and thanks for checking in. You raise a very good point.
I did not know Mao ever said that about Stalin. That is very interesting.
I think you are absolutely right to highlight the series' (which I have not seen) treatment of the Soviet Union and that certainly does show China's unwillingness to admit the flaws of Communism. I did see some criticisms of the show for constantly making it seem as though it is governments that drive economies, (including even FDR being the cause of America's economic growth) but I think your criticism goes even more to the heart of the show.
johnny - December 29, 2008 2:00 PM
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