China lawyers

Though we’ve written about this many times previously, I’m writing about it again today because my law firm’s China lawyers have been seeing a lot more of this lately, especially as against European companies. I am not sure why the increase. Anyone have any clues?

Anyway, we have been getting a number of emails lately from companies asking us if what their Chinese counter-parties are asking them to do is is legitimate or not and, unfortunately, a number of emails from companies telling us what happened to them and asking us to write about it on here. I note that these companies have asked us to name the Chinese companies that scammed them, but we do not do that for the simple reason that many scammers usurp the names of legitimate Chinese companies and the last thing we want to do is stigmatize those innocent companies.

The scam we are seeing is pretty much the oldest (certainly the most utilized) China scam against foreign companies. It works like this. Chinese company emails foreign company expressing interest in buying products or services from foreign company and then quickly negotiates a contract with the foreign company do exactly that. Once the contract has been agreed to, the Chinese company tells the foreign company that it must go to China to meet the Chinese company CEO and/or some government officials for a contract signing ceremony.

The below are some of the emails we have gotten in the last month or so:

We are a small company in _________Spain [we have offices in Spain and our website is in Spanish and some of our blog posts are in Spanish so we get a disproportionate number of emails from Spanish companies) and I was just victimized by a “come to China to sign the contract” scam. I read about these scams on your blog, but only after it happened to me. We are a small education company and we lost nearly $10,000 so would you please tell me whether it is possible for you to recover any of this money for us.

We spent weeks working out the terms of our contract with them and then another couple of weeks planning our visit to Chengdu to meet with them. our time.

I believed they were real because they never asked us for any money before our trip to China. Two of us from my company worked on this project and I have to admit we never suspected anything.

We researched the company thoroughly and they appeared to be a real company with a real website and a real domain name and their emails came from that domain name and our phone calls to them were to the telephone number on their website.

But after we signed the contract with them in Chengdu, we were asked to pay for a dinner to celebrate. We did not feel that we could say no because we had gone all this way and they told us that it was important that we pay because there would be government officials there. They even told us that they would make the first payment early if we did. Our dinner was absurdly expensive and when it came time to check out, the not so nice hotel they put us in was as well.

By the time we got back, their website was gone and I then was certain we had been scammed. They don’t answer my emails anymore.

We looked up the the Chinese company and it never existed. This took us less than five minutes and had this Spanish company done this before beginning its negotiations (as it should have done), it would have known this. I am writing about this scam because the other ones would have been a bit more difficult to spot because they used the names of real Chinese companies, but changed the email addresses slightly and gave different phone numbers. In one case, the city in China which the meeting took place was about 1000 kilometers from the home city of the real Chinese company.

The thing that makes these scams so insidious and so successful is the amounts that are taken. Usually they are between USD$5,000 and $10,000. Here’s the thing about amounts like this. Few people care. By this I mean the police in China don’t really care because they have more important things to do. The police in the foreign country don’t care because they have more important things to do. And the lawyers can’t take these cases because there is so little at stake and the odds of ever getting anything are incredibly slim. Our firm has taken on many multi-million dollar international fraud cases (mostly involving companies that paid millions of dollars for products they never received or invested millions of dollars in projects that were never real) and, generally, it takes at least $10,000 in attorney time (usually at least double this) for basic investigatory work to determine whether there is a real shot of recovering. So the sad bottom line with these scams is that the scammers virtually always get away with them and are free to operate and keep perpetrating them. In other words, these scammers are no doubt still out there and with each scam they hone their craft.

Here are some basic rules to follow when negotiating any sort of deal with a Chinese company, especially one where the Chinese company is claiming it will be paying you money:

  1. Do at least really basic due diligence on your Chinese counter-party before you spend any time or money. Don’t be afraid to ask them for a copy of their business license and then have someone who knows what they are doing look at it. I am just guessing here, but it seems like most of the time if you ask for this the scamming Chinese company will just move on to an easier mark.
  2. Always book your own travel to China, especially your hotel.
  3. Don’t go to China at all for a signing ceremony. Our law firm has drafted literally thousands of contracts between Western companies and Chinese companies and I don’t think there has been a single time where anyone was asked to go to China to sign the contract and I don’t think there has been a single time where any of our clients have done so. This is true of big Chinese companies (both SOEs and privately held entities) and small Chinese companies.

Most important of all, don’t get too greedy, don’t move too fast, and don’t be anything but super careful. Lastly, don’t be afraid to challenge your Chinese counter-party on what they are telling you. The legitimate Chinese companies rarely resent having to prove themselves; in fact most welcome it.

What are you seeing out there?

Dan Harris

I am a founder of Harris Bricken, an international law firm with lawyers in Los Angeles, Portland, San Francisco, Seattle, China and Spain.

I mostly represent companies doing business in emerging market countries. It has taken me many years to build my network and it takes constant communication and travel to maintain it. My work has been as varied as securing the release of two improperly held helicopters in Papua New Guinea, setting up a legal framework to move slag from Canada to Poland’s interior, overseeing hundreds of litigation and arbitration matters in Korea, helping someone avoid terrorism charges in Japan, and seizing fish product in China to collect on a debt.

I was named as one of only three Washington State Amazing Lawyers in International Law, I am AV rated by Martindale-Hubbell Law Directory (its highest rating), I am rated 10.0 by (its highest rating), and I am a SuperLawyer.

I am a frequent writer and public speaker on doing business in Asia and I constantly travel between the United States and Asia. I most commonly speak on China law issues and I am the lead writer of the award winning China Law Blog ( Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine, the Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, Business Week, The National Law Journal, The Washington Post, The ABA Journal, The Economist, Newsweek, NPR, The New York Times and Inside Counsel have all interviewed me regarding various aspects of my international law practice.

I am licensed in Washington, Illinois, and Alaska.

In tandem with the international law team at my firm, I focus on setting up/registering companies overseas (via WFOEs, Rep Offices or Joint Ventures), drafting international contracts (NDAs, OEM Agreements, licensing, distribution, etc.), protecting IP (trademarks, trade secrets, copyrights and patents), and overseeing M&A transactions.