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On The Quality Of China’s Courts. What’s Your Benchmark?

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I was sitting around the other day with a client/friend who has been doing business in China since forever. This person has spent probably 90% of the last thirty years of his life in China and despite his being an American, his knowledge of China business definitely surpasses his knowledge of business in the United States. He was complaining about judges in China and his comment was that about half of them were incompetent.

My response was to tell him that was not so bad.

I have to be really careful here because lawyers talking bad about judges is never a good idea, so let me say that much of what I am going to say has nothing to do with what I have seen, but of what I have heard from my lawyer friends around the United States. Since nearly all of my firm’s work has an international component, we almost always find ourselves in Federal court. Federal court judges are appointed and they are paid pretty well and they typically have two really good clerks assisting them. I cannot remember hearing a lawyer complain about the quality of the Federal judges in our area.

in much of the United States, however, judges are elected and these elections are oftentimes determined based on politics, not quality. When lawyers sit around and talk about judges, we almost never complain about a judge’s politics. What does politics have to do with a breach of contract lawsuit anyway? No, we complain about competence. 

My never-reticent, Ohio-burdend and sometimes correct friend, Dan Hull, did a post on his What About Clients? blog on  U.S. state court judges, provocatively entitled, Get off your knees: Say something and do something about state elected judiciary. Dan put a picture of Mae West on the post and subtitled it, “Is that a county judge in your pocket? Or are you just hugely happy to see me?”

Hull is characteristically blunt about the inherent problems with elected judges:

Two lousy messages: Judges, like mayors and congressmen, have “constituents”. Justice, like real estate or widgets, is “for sale”.

Think of it like this: Good Crops, Motherhood, the Flag, Andy Griffith, puppies, selflessness, courage (Mae West, above, had lots of it), beauty, truth, a thin Marie Osmond, sweetness, light, replacing state judicial elections with merit-based selection in 39 American states.

As NYC trial lawyer Scott Greenfield and maybe others worry that writers at this site are getting soft and even, well, flitty, we will reach and try here to be frank, and forthright:

The popular election of state judges is beneath:

(a) you,

(b) your law firm,

(c) your family’s dog, and

(d) especially your clients, and especially if you act for businesses who trade nationally or globally.

That institution, favored in a vast majority of states in some form, makes states that still conduct them appear insular and potentially unfair to both American litigants and to non-Americans and their businesses abroad.

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But elected benches are by nature glaringly “fishy” (i.e., “…dang, Nadine, the campaign money to the judge last year…just don’t seem right…the dog don’t hunt…”) to even the most casual observer in the Midwest or South, and wherever else American horse sense abounds.

Merit-based selection is not perfect. However, it has worked very well for two centuries in American federal courts with a minimum of bad appointments and embarrassments–even if you adjust for the fact that state judges outnumber federal judges (who are appointed for life) by a factor of over 10 to 1.

Generally county-based, American litigation at a state level is already frustratingly local and provincial for “outsider defendants”–businesses from other U.S. states and other nations sued in local state courts–who cannot remove to federal courts, the forums where federal judges can and should protect them from local prejudice.*

American states that still hang on to electoral systems look increasingly provincial, classless, and silly from a global perspective. Merit selection is not perfect–and also poses risks–but it is far better than what most American states currently have in place. It’s time for American states to grow up.

Hull is absolutely right and it would be tough to find a good American lawyer who disagrees with him. Well over half of American judges are competent, but every year state court budgets seem to get reduced and the gap between judge’s salaries and what they could be earning as practicing lawyers seems to widen. This does not bode well for U.S. state courts.

Does China have work to do to improve its judiciary?  Heck yes it does. But if you are an American looking at it, please do not compare our courts with theirs as though absolutely everything in the United States is just fine. Because it isn’t.

  • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

    Truth. People in the UK, and in every other country I’ve ever been to, are horrified by the idea of having party-political elected judges.

  • Vincent Chew

    Nicely put. Puts things in perspective nicely.

  • MHB

    I am from the UK, and my jaw dropped to read this! Just as FOARP predicted.
    The current UK government is proposing elected Police Chiefs – electing policemen is bad enough, but judges as well?!
    Dan – do you know how Chinese judges compare to German judges or ones in a comparable legal system?

  • Hua qiao

    Far be it from me to argue with lawyers but i also think we should avoid the very common technique that Chinese employ when criticized, displacement.
    absolutely, elected judges is a bad idea. But that does not make criticism of Chinese party hacks put in as judges any less valid. i tire of this rhetorical technique.
    I would also say that judicial review standards and case precedent afford a few more protections for US claimants. But i am not a lawyer so iam not the best person to make such an argument.

  • Chris

    I appeared as a witness in a civil case in a Chinese local court once. The lawyers on both sides were outstanding and I was impressed with their expertise and grasp of technical detail on whether I had standing to testify. The judge was polite but didn’t appear to fully grasp their legal arguments. He let me testify I think solely out of good manners.
    The quality of the lawyers gives me hope that if the judiciary is recruiting out of their ranks, China’s courts will improve.

  • Mark

    @Hua qiao
    Your blanket accusation of the Chinese is senseless. The so-called ‘technique’ you referred to is not unique to the Chinese.
    I am sure anyone, including yourself, would have done the same thing if you were in their shoes. The first post on this page of my friend’s website explains it well:
    http://chinablogs.wordpress.com/interesting-blogs/

  • Huao Qiao

    yo Mark
    You just made my point. The fact that others use displacement as a rhetorical ploy doesn’t make it right. And of course other people do this beside Chinese. If one has a legitimate criticism and i think the criticism that Chinese judges are unqualified political appointees is valid, it is irrelevant whether other countries have such a problem.
    I don’t think my point is senseless.
    Nuff said

  • http://axesslegalcorp.blogspot.com/ Sanand Ramakrishnan

    There’s always a scope for improvement of processes to set new benchmarks that can sustain the process of how justice is delivered.

  • stevelaudig

    All politics [and much political-economy] is local. I have practiced before elected state judges [some good, many not], appointed state judges [a few good, most not, and federal judges [almost all quite "filled" with themselves especially at the appellate leve.
    Frankly the current idea of "judges" is suspect. Other methods for the state providing dispute resolvers with binding powers should be examined. I've discussed the idea that there are lists of qualified individuals trained lawyers with a certain number of years experience [not elected, not appointed, but test-qualified and peer-vetted] and when a suit is filed a number of names are randomly assigned, say 3 or 5 or 7 and the parties strike until there is one. that individual is duty and oath bound just like a “tenured” judge and is paid by the state and operates out of a state run clerk’s office with professional staff. After such a system is up and running for a while, savvy lawyers will weed out the corrupt and the incompetent. but “I’m just speculatin’ about a hypothesis, I don’t really nuthin’” [Miller's Crossing]

  • Twofish

    Chris: The quality of the lawyers gives me hope that if the judiciary is recruiting out of their ranks, China’s courts will improve.
    Except that they don’t.
    Like most European countries, “judges” and “lawyers” have separate career tracks. When you go to college, you go either to judge school or lawyer school, and it’s extremely rare (i.e. I can’t think of a situation in which this has happened) in which a practicing lawyer gets named as a judge. One difference in philosophy is that judges are supposed to be “impartial” whereas lawyers aren’t, so mixing those two jobs is considered a bad thing.
    One other difference between the US and China is that the judge that is hearing the case may not be the person making the decisions, and you may not want the judge making the decision. The judge hearing the case might have just graduated from judge school, and this might be the first or second case that they’ve heard. What will likely happen is that the judge will take the case and informally consult with more experienced judges about what to do, and it’s the more experienced judges behind the scenes that make the real decisions, and those senior judges may consult and will certainly be influenced by the wishes of Party officials.
    There are reasons why the system is what it is. One is that there aren’t enough experienced lawyers in China to work as judges. The other is that judges in China are often also part social worker, part mediator, and part early warning system for the government so these are skills that require less deep knowledge of the law than boots on the ground.

  • http://www.whataboutclients.com Dan Hull

    Just saw this for first time today. Really appreciated, Dan. And well done, sir.
    We still have to play hoops, though….:-) Ya’ know?