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China Retail. How Much Does China Know?

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Had a fascinating conversation recently with a large domestic consumer product company that had been contemplating going into China. Very well run, very sophisticated, very successful U.S company viewed as a very solid line of mid-level priced consumer products. Generally, Americans view this company as having “good products at a good value.” 

After an extensive marketing survey in China, this company has decided it will not be going into China. At least not yet.  Let me explain.

Their survey (which they have given me permission to reveal so long as I keep it pretty generic):

1. Chinese consumers view foreign consumer goods as better and more expensive.

2.  Chinese consumers are skeptical of foreign consumer goods that are less expensive or priced similarly to Chinese goods. They tend to assume these goods are not as good as Chinese goods because too much of the costs that went into these goods went to high foreign salaries, not to the product itself. A really big name like, for instance, H&M, can maybe overcome this, because with H&M the consumer is buying into the foreign trend, which trend itself distinguishes it from their Chinese competitors.

3.  There was a time when a foreign low or mid-level brand could go to China and reinvent itself there as a higher level brand. Pizza Hut is a classic example of this. Thanks to the internet, those times may be over. The Chinese consumer is going to be reluctant to pay high end prices for a foreign brand that is low end outside China.  

3.  It’s tough out there in China for the mid- to low-level foreign consumer products company or retailer.

I thought of this client after reading a Forbes article, entitled, “What’s Next For China’s Fashion Retailers?“ The Forbes article was an interview with Paul French, “of Shanghai-based market research firm Access Asia, and in that article, French expressed skepticism about Gap succeeding in China. French doesn’t go too much into it, but I wonder the same thing. I assume Gap clothes will cost at least 5-10% more than comparable clothes in local China stores and I am just not sure the Gap name is going to be prestigious enough to cause the Chinese consumer to spend that much more for their clothes. That was the problem faced by my client; those in China who knew their brand respected it, but not enough to pay a sufficient price premium to make it worth their while to go into China, especially since their Chinese competitors were content with what my client called “shockingly low margins.”

So my client made the decision to table China and look at it again in a few more years. 

For more on the issue of foreign companies being unable to get their prices low enough to compete in China, check out the following:

For more on the need for foreign companies to have a consistent image worldwide, check out the following:

Will Gap succeed in China? Should we view its success or failure as any sort of retail bellwether? What do you think? 

11-18-2010 UPDATE:  A Modern Lei Feng just came out with a very interesting post, entitled, “Gap Gets it Right in China,” in which he notes how Gap has localized both some of its looks and some of its prices for China and in doing so, has gotten “it right.”    

  • deldallas

    I’m not the fashionista, but, in Shanghai/Suzhou, Uniqlo (Japan-based, I believe) already seem to be entrenched, offering very ‘Gap-like’ clothes. So, I think Gap would be entering a pretty crowded market and likely to gain a relatively small share of the pie. I definitely don’t think that’s indicative of all consumer product markets.

  • http://www.modernleifeng.com b. cheng

    Will Gap succeed is a tough question, but seeing how Gap positions itself elsewhere in Asia or in Europe, and assuming it will do the same in China, I think it will be okay. As the above mentions, Gap and Uniqlo offer very similar clothes styles, though Gap prices are almost certain to be a few hundred kuai more, closer to Zara’s prices, though Zara is more like H&M and focused on trends. Gap has a big enough name and will get a lot of buzz at first for its new arrival in China, over time they’ll need to appeal to those into style who are looking for mid range clothes for the office. I think where Gap will really win out is with their jeans, but time will tell.

  • Paul C.

    I’m with you. I don’t think there is much room for the mid-level foreign value consumer companies in China. I see 98% of Chinese buying on price and the other 2% buying on brand name, leaving no room for the middle guy.

  • James G

    Gap won’t succeed because they don’t have a visible mark on most of their clothing, save some t-shirts. As far as I can tell, the western-style clothing brands that would succeed in NE Asia have visible logos, like Hollister, that Monkey clothing, The Submersible Ape or whatever it is called, Abercrombie and Fitch, etc.
    plain-ish khakis and button down shirts are already pretty common in China, right? Giordano has that market sewed up, I know I prefer Giordano.

  • http://www.modernleifeng.com b. cheng

    Gap’s proved they did their research before coming into China, prices are on par or lower than in the US for same or similar items, often significantly so, and many of the styles are more suited for the Chinese market. Plus it appears they’re going to do a lot of Uniqlo style weekly/monthly promotions on items. Yes, they’ll still be slightly (and only slightly) more expensive than brands like Giordano, the company’s status as a foreign brand is sure to help. No guarantees this will make them an automatic success, but it appears they really did their research.

  • http://www.thechinaperspective.com The China Perspective

    Gap will likely be very successful in China, a combination of savvy advertising and good locations along with the idea that “gap is a famous american brand” will likely all contribute to their success.
    The notion that Chinese only by Giordano (low end price conscience consumer) or Gucci (high end luxury consumer) seems very flawed. Whether you are talking about clothes, electronics or any other consumer products there are plenty of brands in the mid range that succeed by offering value, in terms of price to quality. Also the notion that Chinese purely see products as foreign or domestic is silly. If a foreign company is hoping to sell its product for more than a domestic product simply because it is foreign they will fail. Just like anywhere else in the world brands need to invest in time and money to educate consumers about their brand. It seems like your client just didn’t think it made sense at this point in time to make that investment.

  • http://ww.thechinabusinessnetwork.com Janet Carmosky

    My riff on Gap’s prospects, since I’m a former General Manager of a fashion retailer business in six cities in China, is to wonder about their skills in organization building. Are they really committed to listening – not only to the consumer but to the talent? The disposable income is obviously there. So is the design, merchandising, and store training talent. My pet peeve, which is why I started The China Business Network, is that so many businesses relatively new to China do not realize how competitive it is, how much great talent is already there to meet the competitive challenge, and how important it is to listen to the people who have the experience. Anyway, since Gap called China “a cornerstone of its global expansion” I called it “China Retail: From Afterthought to Cornerstone” http://blogs.forbes.com/janetcarmosky/

  • Richard

    Uniqlo, Zara, and H&M all run very tight, well-integrated supply chains. H&M in particular is a model of just-in-time and their distribution is vertically integrated throughout the world. H&M also does not localize their styles very much, aside from some limited changes here and there (ie: sizing), which allows them to build a global economy of scale and create a sort of “global style” that can be seen on 20-somethings in almost every major city in the world. Gap may do well in China but it their success will have just as much to do with operations and management as it will with style/pricing. It would be interesting to get a bit more insight into their operations…