China Copycat Or Amazing Coincidence?
When my daughter was 15 -- like nearly all 15 year olds -- she became convinced her parents (and in this case, her 8 year old sister as well) were complete idiots, and she herself was a genius. This led me to often ask her (genius that she thought she was) what the odds were of this. Depending on her mood, she would either crack a slight smile or just scowl.
She is (thankfully) past that stage now so I will not bother asking her what the odds are of a company in Haiku City, on Hainan Island, China, independently developing nearly the exact same website (in look, feel, AND content) as a well known, well established, US based China consulting company? Okay then, what are the odds these two consulting firms would manage to garner the exact same testimonials from the exact same nine people, with the only apparent difference being that on one site the testimonials are for the US based company and on the other site they are purportedly on behalf of the Hainan Island company?
So check out this site for Technomic Asia, a top tier consulting company with whom we have worked on many a China project and have always been impressed and this site for a Haiku City, Hainan company called Hainan Sunshine Investment.
So what are the odds?


Comments
The Internet is full of copycats, which is unfortunate, and China has its own related issues. It is always frustrating where someone else comes along and lifts copy verbatim.
To raise awareness on the issue, though, may not always work. Rather than causing the copycat in question any real sense of embarrassment, it may instead just prove their point - i.e., that copying is a smart thing to do because it leads to broader exposure.
In any event, I feel for the wronged party. It's never fun, and immitation is not really a form of flattery, as they say Or, let's put it this way. If it is a form of flattery, one wishes that they would go and flatter someone else!
Posted by: Paul Midler | August 20, 2007 2:50 PM
For some reason I find this absolutely hilarious.
Looks like they're just applying the same training that every Chinese student learns in college--copy everything from the internet.
Posted by: kmm | August 20, 2007 4:32 PM
Pure accident, no doubt.
By the way, my daughter just turned 6 and is already convinced I am an idiot. How do I survive until she turns 20 and gets through this phase??
Posted by: Chris Carr | August 20, 2007 6:22 PM
Paul --
You are right that exposing the copycat may just be a reward and I am certainly hoping that is not the case here. When I first started blogging I would go ballistic whenever I found someone copying my posts without attribution, but over time I pretty much completely stopped caring. I realized that all those who copied me would rather quickly disappear and when you think about it, who is going to read a blog that is a complete rip-off anyway? And who is going to hire a company that talks about things it has done that it so clearly could not have done?
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 20, 2007 9:23 PM
kmm --
Gee, I was hoping you knew why you found this absolutely hilarious and that was because I was absolutely hilarious. Oh well.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 20, 2007 9:24 PM
Chris --
hmmm. Sorry, can't help you as we do not give out individualized advice.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 20, 2007 9:27 PM
Its an amazing coincidence and it would be racist to say otherwise.
Posted by: racism hunter | August 21, 2007 12:01 AM
I like the Clients pages:
http://www.technomicasia.com/aboutus/clients.htm
http://www.ssiccn.com/aboutus/clients.htm
Everything identical except Sunshine changes "Asia" to "China" in the first paragraph. They both have 20 years experience though! ;-)
Posted by: Chris D | August 21, 2007 1:08 AM
Maybe they hired the same web designer to design their page. Now that would be a coincidence. In any case, I'm sure the defense would be, "It's much easier to copy and paste HTML code; we didn't have time to type everything."
Posted by: Matt | August 21, 2007 4:22 AM
Also, on the "downloads" section, it reference's "Steve's speech". Steve is a principal of Technomic, but can't be found on Sunshine's roster...
At least they had the good sense to disable the links to the articles.
Posted by: hlm | August 21, 2007 9:47 AM
How could this be "racist" if other than coincidental, as alleged by "racism hunter?" Is it simply because the people under potential doubt may be of different ethnic/racial origin? Would it be non-racist and somehow more unoffensive and less conincidental if Canadians or Aussies who are not ostensibly of Asiatic origin at some point over the last few thousand years did this? IP violations are color-blind and judged by nonracial standards, and those who commit them cannot use a shield as a sword.
Posted by: Law Office of Todd L. Platek | August 21, 2007 10:55 AM
It looks like they may have hired a local web designer who copied from the other site. If these are the actual principals, they may not know about it..
http://www.ssiccn.com/aboutus/staff.htm
http://www.technomicasia.com/aboutus/staff.htm
Posted by: Andy | August 21, 2007 12:20 PM
By the way, just noticed that the unhappy-with-Chinese-law-firms lawyer's blog is alive, with a web address very similar to this award-winning site; and similarly grayish office building banner-pic. Amazing coincidence?
Posted by: Law Office of Todd L. Platek | August 21, 2007 3:38 PM
nah, its still racist. The american company could have copied the chinese company: you never know!
Posted by: racism hunter | August 22, 2007 7:24 AM
racism hunter --
1. You are kidding.
2. If you are not kidding, you are the racist here. Giving someone a pass because of their race is unbelievably condescending and is itself racist.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:49 AM
Chris D --
Will the coincidences ever cease?
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Matt --
Same web designer AND content writer. But yes, that is possible.... That's the ticket.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:52 AM
hlm --
Or maybe Sunshine does have a "Steve" who is just not visible on the site and this is yet another amazing coincidence.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:53 AM
Andy -
Wow! Very interesting. Someone ought to contact some of those people and ask if they know anything about Hainan Sunshine.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:56 AM
racism hunter --
You are absolutely right in a Descartes/Sarte/Nietzche sort of way.
Posted by: China Law Blog | August 22, 2007 7:58 AM
rh: I'll keep an open mind on that one. Marshalling the fact of who filed first/put it up on the net first, might be a useful exercise in determining priority. Don't play the "r" card so soon.
Posted by: Law Office of Todd L. Platek | August 22, 2007 8:20 AM
Well I compare the two web sites and except a few graphic I don’t find anything, they are totally different!
http://www.technomicasia.com/aboutus/clients.htm
http://www.ssiccn.com/aboutus/clients.htm
What are you talking about? everyone in drunk on is blog or is me?
Cheers
Michael
Posted by: Michael | September 5, 2007 8:05 AM
Technomic asia – Hainan Sunshine Investment .Who lie?
Three weeks ago we have explained and apologize to Technomicasia that was a mistake from the web master we has contracted to do our new web page, the guy base in Beijing, has put online a model of web site (Technomicasia) to show us who our web will look like in the future, the model stay online only 24 hours!
Apparently Technomicasia don’t accept our explanation, from the 14 of August 2007 our web site www.ssiccn.com is finish and different from the sample, even that Technomicasia still diffusing wrong information’s on the web!
If Technomicasia want a war we are ready to see them at Hainan people’s court.
On this blog someone present Technomicasia “as a well known, well established, US based China consulting company”….well from our investigation this company was created by two English teachers… all of them pass their time blogging and indirectly find always the way to promote their small company
We are not specialist in web site but at least all our colleagues are graduated in investment, trade and other diploma related to their job today.
Karen
Posted by: Karen | September 5, 2007 9:11 AM
In shanghai everyone know that last year Sunshine investment, www.ssiccn.com take over some Technomicasia clients unhappy about their prices and services…
We also know that technomicasia wrote all stories about this supposed copycat!
Posted by: Lucy | September 16, 2007 6:47 PM