Real Estate Investments in China Seminar: SFO On May 3-4

The American Conference Institute is hosting a two-day conference on "Real Estate Investments in China," from May 3-4, 2007 at the Mandarin Oriental San Francisco, in San Francisco, California.  Both CLB co-blogger Steve Dickinson and I will be speaking there and I would urge anyone with an interest in Chinese real estate to attend. 

Steve was scheduled to speak on the topic of "Developing a Business Entity in China" for real estate purposes, but with the recent passage of China's new Property Laws, Steve has prevailed upon the conference organizers to have him discuss the new laws.  The changes these new laws will bring to China are potentially huge and, as far as I know, this will be the first seminar in the U.S. at which they will be discussed.

The overall theme is "On-the-Ground-Perspective:  The Real Real Estate Opportunities for Foreign Investors in China" and the following issues will be covered:

  • Creative Strategies to Finance Your Real Estate Investment
  • An Expert's Perspective on the New REIT Regulations in China
  • Non-REIT Opportunities:  US Institutional Investment Vehicles
  • Evaluating the Opportunities and Mitigating the Risks when Developing Your Second-Tier City Investment Strategy
  • Investments in Chinese Real Estate-Legal Risks that "Due Diligence" Won't Cure
  • Exit Strategies--Getting Your Profits Out of China
  • Using ADR to Resolve Disputes with Chinese Business Entities

The list of speakers from the legal, real estate and financial worlds (present company excluded) is extremely strong and will include the following people speaking on real estate related issues:

  • Graham Earnshaw, Editor-in-Chief, Xinhua Finance News, speaking on "On-the-Ground Perspective:  The Real Real Estate Opportunities for Foreign Investors in China." 
  • Dr. Daniel W. Kwong, Chairman, Global Investment & Management Institute, Inc., will be providing the second day key note presentation.
  • Marshall P. Horowitz, Attorney with Dreier Stein & Kahan LLP, in Santa Monica, CA, speaking on Developing a Business Entity in China. 
  • Dr. Lou Jianbo, Co-Director, Center for Real Estate Law and Associate Professor of Law at Peking University, speaking on China's new REIT regulations. 
  • Michael Lam, Associate Director, Asia Pacific Cushman & Wakefield, Inc., speaking on real estate investing in China's second tier cities. 
  • Qiang Li, Attorney with L.A. based O'Melveny & Myers LLP, speaking on "Exit Strategies -- Getting Your Profits Out of China" and also on "Creative Strategies to Finance Your Real Estate Investment."
  • R.A.D. Morton III, Director, Asian Development Group LLC, speaking on real estate investments in China's second tier cities. 
  • Patrick A. Randolph, Jr., Co-Director, Peking University Center for Real Estate Law and Of Counsel with Kansas City based Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, speaking on "Investments in Chinese Real Estate � Legal Risks that �Due Diligence� Won�t Cure."  Fang Shen, also an attorney at Blackwell Sanders, will be speaking on this as well.   
  • Stephen A. Roth, Chairman Emeritus at Secured Capital Corp., speaking on "Non-REIT Opportunities: U.S. Institutional Investment Vehicles." 
  • Paul L. Silverman, Director & CEO, Asian Development Group LLC, speaking on second tier city real estate.
  • Wenjie Sun, Attorney at Lehman, Lee & Xu, speaking on "Developing a Business Entity in China."
  • Alice Young, Attorney with Kaye Scholer LLP in New York.

I will be moderating a session on real estate in China's second tier cities, at which R.A.D Morton III, Paul Silverman and Michael Lam will be speaking.  The formal name of our session is "Evaluating the Opportunities and Mitigating the Risks when Developing Your Second-Tier City Investment Strategy." I have been working with these three on the program (with them doing the overwhelming bulk of the work) and I have seen enough to be able to assure you that this will interesting and highly informative session.  All three of these speakers clearly have an on the ground understanding of China's commercial real estate market and I too am very much looking forward to their talks. 

Both Steve (from Shanghai) and I (from Seattle) will be arriving SFO the day before the program and would welcome the opportunity to go out for lunch/dinner/coffee/drinks with our readers at some point while in SFO.  Those interested should please contact me by sending an e-mail to "firm at harrismoure.com." 

See y'all there.

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Therese - April 10, 2007 6:22 PM

Just to be nit-picky: "ya'll" is a subject+verb contraction (you + will), whereas "y'all" is a pronoun contraction (you + all). This leads to great combinations such as, "Y'all'll all go then, right?"

China Law Blog - April 10, 2007 6:32 PM

Damn, and I have always loved that word. That and ain't (which when I use it embarasses the heck out of my kids). My older brother (from Michigan like me) lives in Houston, Texas. First time I visited him he pointed out to me that every single person I had met who had used the word y'all (got it right this time) and spoke with an overly strong Texas accent actually came from Michigan. This was during the late 1970s/early 1980s when everyone was going from Michigan to Texas and Michiganders down there were called black-taggers becuase Michigan had black license plates. Just a bit of history for y'all.

I will correct it.

Chris Carr - April 10, 2007 9:52 PM

Hi Dan.

Thanks for the post and info. I went to the ACI web site to try to get more info re the event but was having difficulty accessing the info there. Do you know if one needs to be an ACI member to attend the conference? I will also give the 800 number on the web site a call to see what I can find out. I am 50/50 re: whether I can make it. Too many meetings that week I need to try to escape from. Hope to see you there, but if not, sounds like a great conference!

China Law Blog - April 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Chris --

I just went to the site and it says it is experiencing "technical difficulties." They apparently could not handle the massive onslaught of people going there to try to see me speak.


You most certainly do NOT have to be a member. In fact, I do not think there is such a thing as membership. Would love to see you in SFO, even if you can't make the conference. How far is SLO from SFO?

nanheyangrouchuan - April 11, 2007 12:44 PM

China's middle class and therefore real estate growth may not be what you think.

"http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=447&Itemid=32"

China�s Middle Class: Not What You Think It Is Print E-mail
Philip Bowring
11 April 2007

Look at the numbers without the hype and it will be awhile before 1.3 billion still-poor Chinese outspend the American consumer

ImageThere seems no end to the American delusion that it can and should keep its economy buoyed by consumption and borrowed money.

But much of Asia is guilty of two related delusions. The first is that it can ever get back the trillions loaned to the US, except, at best, in heavily devalued currency. The second, and more recent, is that even if the US consumer fades, the growing wealth of a billion Chinese consumers will compensate and enable the rest of the region merrily to carry on.

The latter delusion has been helped along by the foreign media, who imagine that most of China is like the top 10 major cities they visit, where most households already own the standard electrical appliances and a growing number have cars. The phrase �middle class� is bandied about as though China now had huge numbers happily consuming at the rate of your average Los Angeles suburbanite.

Even taking into account the huge income disparities in China and accepting that most people are still poor, that would still seem to leave a few hundred million people with significant and fast-growing disposable incomes. So it�s worthwhile to look at the actual numbers. Who might be in this free-spending, upwardly mobile urban economy? Who is going to buy all the clothes, toys, electronic gizmos, cars, shoes and assorted bric-a-brac that currently gets shipped off to earn dollars for the nation�s leaders to squander on acquiring more foreign exchange reserves?

While bullish investment banks have been peddling daydreams, the Swiss bank UBS has an economist, Jonathan Anderson, who has come up with some startling numbers. Although official data say there are 577 million urban residents, many of those are farmers living on urban fringes, or in towns where income levels are a world apart from the major cities. By UBS�s more stringent criteria of what constitutes a city, the number is reduced to 244 million and to just 115 million if one uses the populations of the 50 largest cities where most wealth is concentrated.

How many of those 115 million people have a household income of $10,000 or more, the minimum likely needed to afford a significant level of consumption � a mortgaged apartment, a car, a computer, the occasional karaoke visit? This group may total 70 million. Up the household income level to $18,000, the point at which it might begin to equate in purchasing power terms to a median household income in the west, and the number falls to 25 million.

Of course, the 95 percent of Chinese who do not fall into these top categories are also consumers � but their purchasing power for items beyond very basic food, clothing, fuel and housing is tiny. Take the overall GDP numbers and China�s consumption expenditure was only 12 percent of the US! Of that, the consumption of the urban �core� - 70 million people - was only 3 percent of the US figure. Even if one assumes that China�s official data overstates investment and understates consumption � highly likely given the amount of �investment� diverted to entertainment and cars for company officials � the gap is immense.

On a purchasing power parity basis China�s consumption would be higher because of the very low cost of services, and hence of some retail prices also. But the higher up the income chain Chinese go, the less the gap between their income and real prices. For instance, rice and a pair of local jeans, let alone a haircut, may cost much, much less in China than in the US but cars and computers cost about the same.

Even if China can sustain 8 percent growth while reducing investment and shifting private consumption from 40 percent to 55 percent of GDP � where it used to be and should still be � it will be several years before it can have an impact on global demand approximating that of the US.

The fact that Chinese growth has had a huge impact on commodity prices should not lead one to assume that it will play a similar role in stimulating global demand for consumer goods. Supply of commodities is inelastic and may require several years to bring new capacity on stream. The same does not apply to most consumer goods. China�s domestic growth has been led by infrastructure development and construction, both heavy users of metals and minerals. Even on the consumption side, the biggest impact of higher incomes has been on food consumption � the shift to higher value-added foods requiring more inputs of other commodities � and housing.

Of course, much more could be done to spur consumption at all income levels at the expense of (often wasteful) investment. But it is hard to imagine that the higher income groups in China will start to spend more of their income and save less while they, a now ageing group, face the costs of health and education and uncertainties over social security. This will change, but not fast enough to offset the impact of a reversal of two decades of growth built on exports geared to consumers in an increasingly indebted west.

None of this is to argue that we are headed for the abyss, along with the US consumer. Taking Asia as a whole, policies could stimulate demand throughout the region to offset some of the decline (yes, decline, not just stagnation) in US import consumption. Consumption can rise in rich Japan, Korea and Taiwan as well as in low-income China. Investment can rise throughout middle-income Southeast Asia and parts of South Asia. But even with the most expansionary policies and lots of luck it cannot be enough, if only because the US locomotive role has only been possible because of its reserve currency status and the touching willingness of Asia to believe that the USA is an AAA-rated risk.

Chris Carr - April 11, 2007 3:31 PM

Hi Dan. It's about a three hour drive. I am currently having difficulty moving meetings so I can try to be there bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Thursday morning when the conference starts. Would hate to have to come late in the day Thursday or just show up for Friday. I will keep my fingers crossed.

Cheers.

China Law Blog - April 12, 2007 7:30 AM

nh --

To quote my 9 year old, "tell me something I didn't know."

emlak - April 27, 2007 3:47 PM

thank you very nice topic. thankss. :)

Juan Carlos Madrigal - May 23, 2007 5:41 AM

Providing a URL and then copying and pasting the entire text of the article does not count as blogging, it's google result polution.

China Law Blog - May 24, 2007 12:09 PM

Dane --

Nobody from that firm ended up at the conference.

China Law Blog - May 24, 2007 12:10 PM

emlak --

You are very welcome.

China Law Blog - May 24, 2007 12:12 PM

Juan Carolos Madrigal --

What would you propose I do the next time I blog on an upcoming seminar? Should I create the content myself?

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