The Yin And Yang And The Apples And Oranges On Chinese Courts

About a week ago, I did a post touting the fairness of China's courts, entitled, "China's Courts are Fair."  That post was based, in large part, on Professor Tseming Yang's (hence the "Yang" in my title -- groan!) post on his Citizen Yang blog, entitled "Local Governments Lose 30-50% of Administrative Lawsuits," noting "local [Chinese] governments lose an astonishing 30-50% of law suits in China." 

I said I was not astonished by these numbers and I referred back to one of my previous posts, entitled, China Rises -- The TV Show/"Food is Heaven," where I noted the success rate small players had in their lawsuits in Chinese courts against big polluting companies. 

I then went on to qualify my "China's courts are fair" assertion by noting that the Chinese courts virtually never rule against the government when central government policy is at issue and that I am ignoring criminal and political cases.  I also stated that "the chances of getting a fair trial are much greater in prosperous commercial cities like Shanghai, Tianjin, or Qingdao, than they are in a small city in Anhui Province.  I know too that a foreign company prevailing against a powerful local company in a Chinese court is always going to be less likely than if all parties are of the same strata:"   

So China's courts are not always fair. 

But, they are fair way more often than credited by the western media and I am absolutely convinced (as are all of the Chinese lawyers with whom we work) that they are fair often enough to make it as ill-advised to do business in China without written contracts or Intellectual Property (IP) protections as to do business that way in the West. 

Even if China's courts are fair only 60% of the time, this is enough to cause the rational Chinese businessperson to make decisions based on legal ramifications. 

Professor Yang posted a comment to my post (here), disagreeing with my assertions regarding China court fairness.  Before I respond to Professor Yang, however, I would like to thank him and all our readers who comment on our posts, particularly those who disagree with us.  China is a hugely complex place where the only constant seems to be change.  Your comments sharpen our knowledge and make for a more interesting blog and for that, I give you my heartfelt thanks. 

Professor Yang states that the successes achieved by the environmental lawyer on "China Rises" were "unusual" and not due to Chinese courts "working well:"

I met "professor Wang Can-fa, the Beijing environmental lawyer featured in the "China Rises" documentary, last fall.  His success, by his own statements to me, has been unusual.  In that sense, I would not (and I think that he would agree with me) characterize his successes as proof of the courts working well; rather it indicates that it is still possible to prevail against the odds when one has a high-profile Beijing lawyer taking one's case.   

I have never talked to a good litigator who does not ascribe his victory solely to his own brilliance.  I have no doubt Wang Can-fa is a great litigator (I could tell that just by how thoroughly he prepares his cases), but even a great litigator cannot win if the case is fixed.  One simply cannot get away from the fact that Mr. Can-fa's success rate is high enough to prove that, at least in the cases he tries, the fix is not always in. 

Professor Yang then says I am comparing apples to oranges:

The reason why I think you are comparing apples to oranges is that judges act differently depending on the type of case.  When they have commercial disputes involving businesses or, for that matter, lawsuits between private individuals, I would expect them to act quite impartial, save for problems of direct bribes and corruption.  However, whenever one deals with lawsuits against state-owned enterprises or against local and provincial governments themselves, I think that judges act quite differently. 

I agree with Professor Yang that Chinese judges do behave differently depending on the case, but I thought I said that very thing in my post when I distinguished between commercial and criminal cases, between cases in Shanghai and cases in Anhui, between cases involving local companies and those involving foreign companies, and when I placed cases involving Beijing government policy in their own separate sphere. 

Professor Yang then talks about how there is no judicial independence in China:

I am sure that you are aware that under the Chinese governmental system, judges are subordinate to other governmental officials at that level of government.  So local judges are essentially subordinate to the top local official.  There is no judicial independence in China - or at least not as of yet.  (However, there are a number of Chinese constitutional law scholars and judges who advocate judicial independence.)  So the reality is that judicial outcomes are controlled, or at least strongly affected, by the desires of other local government officials. 

Professor Yang's description of China's court system is correct, but I disagree if he is claiming this means China's judges are always beholden to the local government. The lowest Chinese courts are usually controlled by the city (at least with respect to China's bigger cities) in which they are located, with the higher courts usually controlled by the province.  But, to a certain extent, Beijing controls everything.  The government in Beijing directly controls China's attorney generals and one of the jobs of the attorney generals is to make sure judges rule fairly.  If a citizen (or a company) has a complaint about a judge's ruling, he can take it to the local Attorney General and if the Attorney General agrees the ruling was wrong, the Attorney General can take various steps to remedy the situation.  Another Beijing ministry monitors judges for corruption.  So though China's judges are to a great extent controlled by the local governments, Beijing still wields the ultimate authority. 

United States Federal Judges are appointed for life so, to a large extent, they are not controlled by anyone but themselves. This is most emphatically not the case in China.  No judge in China is independent to the extent we think of judicial independence in the West. I once asked a couple of Chinese lawyers what would happen if a local, lower court judge were to issue a case ruling that contradicted a previous Supreme Court ruling.  It took these lawyers about five minutes to get their heads around my question (asked in perfect Chinese by Steve) because, as they eventually told us, this simply has never and would never happen. 

But, this lack of judicial independence does not mean every Chinese judge takes orders on his or her cases directly from the government.  Beijing wants its citizens to resolve disputes in the courts, rather than with violence, protest, or local party hacks.  Beijing therefore wants its citizens to trust the courts.  The Citizens will not trust courts that are inherently biased and corrupt.  Beijing therefore gives give judges pretty free reign to rule on those cases that do not directly impact Beijing government policies and Beijing tries to monitor corruption.   

Professor Yang then states that when a lawsuit is brought against a local government, the fix is in: 

When a lawsuit is filed against the local government, as often occurs with land takings and environmental cases, the dynamics should be easy to figure out.  These dynamics are at the root of current social unrest about land takings in China and the many petitions that are filed in Beijing about local government misdeeds - because the courts do not provide a remedy for such complaints.

The problem with this argument is that it essentially refutes Professor Yang's own post on how plaintiffs win these cases 30 to 50 percent of the time.  But Professor Yang now finds his own numbers suspect:  "I [Professor Yang] have some doubts as to whether they are in fact accurate." 

Professor Yang also ignores that the appeals of these cases are usually before Judges who are not so beholden to the local officials.  For example, if one loses a case at the Qingdao city level, one can appeal it to the appellate court in Jinan, Shandong Province's provincial capital. 

Theory is a Law Professor's stock in trade.  In theory, because China's courts lack judicial independence, they simply cannot be fair.  So if statistics say China's courts are at least somewhat fair, a professor must be astonished.  And if astonishment is not convincing enough, then the statistics themselves must be wrong. 

Businesses have to deal in reality and the reality is that China's courts are fairer than is widely believed in the West. China's courts are certainly fair often enough so those who conduct business in China must do so in a way so that if they end up in court, they can prevail.   

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88 - May 7, 2006 5:12 PM

I think you are missing the big picture here, which is what Prof. Yang is really getting at. Most Chinese would laugh at the idea of "resolving a dispute" in the courts because everyone knows that the fix is in. Just as most Chinese wouldn't even think of going to a hospital when they get sick. Why? Because hospitals have very little to do with medicine in most of China and everything to do with robbing people blind. So I guess we could analyze patient satisfaction among those who actually do go to the hospital and make all kinds of claims about hospital fairness and professionalism, but this misses the elephant in the room: most Chinese don't dare to go to a hospital, and for good reason. Same with the courts.

Also, with the legal system, it is not so simple to separate political from commercial cases; the two are almost always intertwined through layers of bribes and guanxi -- especially in commercial cases. So if a "local government" loses a case, this really signifies nothing regarding the impartiality of the courts. Local governments aren't monolithic. There are competing factions at all levels. You need to look at the litigants themselves -- what are their connections? Look at factory ownership, ownership of capital, etc., and party membership. In sum, this 30% to 50% figure doesn't mean the courts are "fair." Sometimes litigants who oppose the "local government" are simply better connected or have connections with entities above the local government. You also need to differentiate between individuals bringing suits and companies -- analyze the difference between the two. In sum, it is a LOT more complicated and messy than the picture presented in your post.

>>Beijing therefore wants its citizens to trust the courts. The Citizens will not trust courts that are inherently biased and corrupt. Beijing therefore gives give judges pretty free reign to rule on those cases that do not directly impact Beijing government policies

Hmm. This is a nice syllogism, but it has no relation to reality. The issue isn't that Beijing is controlling everything Wizard-of-Oz like from the Emerald City. The issue is that the entire system is corrupt and self-policing doesn't work. You can't take local intransigence against Beijing as a sign of "judicial independence" -- just the reverse, in fact. I entirely agree that the typical Western view is also just as wrong, i.e., some cabal of party apparatchiks sits in Beijing and issues decisions on cases brought in some village in Hunan (they call on the red phone, etc.) For the most part, Beijing can't control local and provinicial governments -- that is the irony of China's system.


>>and Beijing tries to monitor corruption.

You mean their own corruption or the corruption of their rivals within the party? Because only the latter is actually in play.

There is a different dynamic at work when foreign entities are involved, no doubt.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

China Law Blog - May 7, 2006 6:56 PM

88 --

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Since doing this post I have had the opportunity to discuss China's courts with a couple of attorneys there (one in a very well known Chinese city, one in a less well known Chinese city) and they both pretty much said the same thing. The maritime and intellectual property courts (which are separate courts) are really quite fair and good. The local courts, far less so. Everyone -- you, me, Professor Yang, and these two Chinese attorneys -- all agree that there will be plenty of times where the parties involved (rather than the facts) will determine the outcome. Both attorneys also state that the liklihood of a fair result increases as the case moves up the court system. Neither of them could estimate the perecentage of cases in which a fair result is reached in the lower courts, which only makes sense.

I think you are wrong to say that most Chinese would laugh at the idea of resolving a dispute in the courts. My own experiences in this area are, of course, few, but they lead me to believe otherwise. We have actually had decent success when we threaten Chinese companies that owe our clients money with a lawsuit. If these companies believed our prevailing in court was a joke, they would not be taking us so seriously. Also, I recall a Wall Street Journal article written within the last year, documenting a massive increase in the number of lawsuits being filed in China each year. I could not find the article, but I recall one of the lawsuits was brought by an apartment dweller who sued a neighboring business that put up a brightly lit sign that shone into the plaintiff's bedroom 24 hours a day. If anyone can find that article, please send it to me. If lawsuits in China are a joke, why are they increasing so quickly?

Your analogy to the hospitals is interesting, but not valid. The Chinese do go to their hospitals and they complain vociferously about them. But, they go because they really have little choice. The Chinese have a greater choice in deciding whether or not to pursue litigation. They can go to the local party boss for resolution. They can go to the local mafia boss for resolution. Perhaps they can go to a village elder or clan leader for resolution. Or, they can choose to do nothing.

I agree with you that the local governments aren't monolithic and that there are competing factions at all levels. I also agree that we need "to look at the litigants themselves -- what are their connections? Look at factory ownership, ownership of capital, etc., and party membership." My firm has a great deal of experience in one emerging market country where we usually need to analyze the interests of the police, the army, the secret police, the city government, the mafia, and the state government to try to determine the liklihood of prevailing. Usually the other side has at least one of these entities on its side and our job is to get some entities on our client's side. Surprisingly, there are legal ways to do this. I had a case in a small country where the mafia and the government were lined up against us and because these two were really the only groups with much power in this country, our local counsel (two sets) informed us that even though our case was clear on the facts, there was absolutely no way we could prevail in court.

I also agree with you that sometimes litigants who oppose the "local government" are simply better connected or have connections with entities above the local government.

Of course it is a lot more complicated than the picture I presented in my post. It is a lot more complicated than the picture presented in my post and all of the comments as well.

I too do not believe Beijing controls everything and I have frequently blogged on this in other posts. I never said local intransigence against Beijing was a sign of "judicial independence," nor do I think it is. I actually agree with you that it is really just the reverse, and this is certainly the case in the pollution and land grabbing cases. Beijing does not fully control the local courts, but it does have some control and it is using that control to try to improve the system. I actually would agree with those who say fairness along the lines of countries like the United States and Great Britain is not possible under China's current system, but I will persist in my belief that the courts are much fairer than widely painted in the Western media and are fair often enough to warrant Western businesses operating or doing business there to use the same care in contracting as they do in the West. Do you disagree with me on that? With even stronger conviction I persist in my belief that Western businesses operating in China should follow all legal steps needed to protect their intellectual property so that if someone tries to take it from them, they will have redress in China's increasingly well regarded IP courts.

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